Subj : Re: Any interest in a security-focused echo? To : 2twisty From : poindexter FORTRAN Date : Thu Apr 14 2022 08:44 am -=> 2twisty wrote to Andre Robitaille <=- 2t> It's nice to have Jedi, but they often despise doing stuff the padawans 2t> should be doing. Keeping with the metaphor, it's important to have both padawan and jedi, but the jedi need to respect the padawan and allow for a path for the padawan to become jedi. I've worked (past tense, thankfully) where the level 3 people didn't respect the helpdesk and level 1/2 people, and when given an opportunity to promote from within hindered the process. And, as a result we lost the ambitious entry level people and were stuck with less driven techs - a self-fulfilling prophecy. Such an odd environment = union IT techs, 1970s era job descriptions that drove unneccessary complication for end users ("Oh, I'm a software technician II. I can't re-image your system, you'll need to open a ticket for a software technician I. And, I can't move your monitor to the other side of your desk, I'll need to open a ticket for a desktop hardware technician to do that. Level 1 and 2 were hourly, level 3 salaried. Executive management wanted to promote people from within, and held out a promotion to level 3 as a reward. They didn't want the pay cut. 2 level 2 techs supporting a 24/7 operation passive-agressively blocked opportunities to cross-train anyone, it turned out they were making something like $3.40 an hour *every* *hour* they were on call, which worked out to quite an overtime bill. And, they didn't want to share. I didn't last a year there. Neither did any of my successors. I've watched with morbid interest at management's revolving door policy. .... THE SEVEN JOURNEYS TO ITSELFNESS --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52 * Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122) .