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To   : ACCESSION
From : Dumas Walker
Date : Sun Jun 30 2024 09:59 am

> G> Interesting - I haven't heard of that happening.  I've not used Ubuntu for
> G> more than a few minutes at a time, and not long enough to upgrade it.

> I'm not sure that's a recent thing, any more. It was back when Linux devs
> couldn't get their heads around proprietary graphics drivers (and maybe still
> can't). Now that they've gone mostly open source with those, the chances of
> that happening is far less than it used to be.

 (1) it happened here earlier this year
 (2) it had nothing to do with graphic drivers, as best as I can tell, as I
could see the screen enough to know that the machine was not working.

I remember the graphic driver issue days and this didn't look anything like
the colorful mess you could wind up with after an install in those days.

I suspect it has a lot more to do with them being more "cutting edge."  I
also suspect it had something to do with the messages about certain
packages no longer being available in the "non-paid support" release.

apt spit out some messages about packages (with names I didn't recognize as
important) no longer being available that, if I didn't know better, would make
me think ubuntu was purposefully removing them to get people to move get
$$$ out of people.  Those packages ARE available in other non-ubuntu deb-based
releases, so it is not a case of them being unsupported.

apt under Debian and Devuan spits out no such messages.  They "just work"
like they are supposed to.

> Not sure what you have against systemd. I gladly switched over when it was
> introduced, and have never had an issue. A lot less scripting involved, that's
> for sure.

There has been some recent noise about something else they have rolled into
systemd that was causing folks issues.  Here, I found that on certain
machines, installing a systemd based distro resulted in unrequested, random
reboots.  Installing devuan made that stop happening on system #1 (a more
critical system).  System #2, the same hardware, required a GUI and Debian
proper was left on it.  It is not so critical and still reboots at odd
times.


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