Subj : Re: For you SBBS Sysops o
To   : Accession
From : Gamgee
Date : Sat Jun 29 2024 01:14 pm

-=> Accession wrote to Gamgee <=-

 Ac> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 02:30:00 -0500, you wrote:

 G> Interesting - I haven't heard of that happening.  I've not used Ubuntu for
 G> more than a few minutes at a time, and not long enough to upgrade it.

 Ac> I'm not sure that's a recent thing, any more. It was back when Linux
 Ac> devs couldn't get their heads around proprietary graphics drivers (and
 Ac> maybe still can't). Now that they've gone mostly open source with
 Ac> those, the chances of that happening is far less than it used to be.

Yes, I would agree with all of that.  Graphics drivers almost certainly 
the cause of such problems, and many others.

 G> I need to give that Devuan a look one of these days.  Debian without
 G> 'systemd', sounds like a winner.  I've been a Slackware user for a couple
 G> of decades, and
 G> still am, mostly; although I'm starting to use MX Linux on a few machines,
 G> including this new Framework laptop I'm on now.  Really like it a lot, it's
 G> another Debian descendant without systemd.

 Ac> Not sure what you have against systemd. I gladly switched over when it
 Ac> was introduced, and have never had an issue. A lot less scripting
 Ac> involved, that's for sure.

I guess it's mostly the (assumed) philosophy that "let us manage all 
your startup processes the way we think is best, and you don't worry 
about the details".  I know that isn't quite accurate, because you can 
of course tweak systemd like most anything else, but that's as close as 
I can come to a reason.  I like to know exactly what's happening and 
have as much control over that as I can.  Another claim is that systemd 
does things "in parallel all at once" and thereby reduces boot time.  I 
don't care one little bit about that, as I don't reboot often and don't 
care if it takes 12 seconds, or 14 seconds.

 Ac> Anyway, the other day I was bored and installed Manjaro (Gnome) and
 Ac> Manjaro (KDE) in a couple Virtualbox VMs, to see how that distro as
 Ac> well as the latest and greatest from the two most popular desktop
 Ac> environments were getting along these days. It was a much nicer
 Ac> experience than I remember back when they first started (Manjaro, that
 Ac> is, obviously KDE and Gnome are much older than that).

Yes, I've toyed with Manjaro a few times and liked it OK.  I suppose 
those are the two most popular desktops, with Gnome only being there 
because of Ubuntu, IMHO.  I used to love Gnome but it became so 
dumbed-down looking (I think it looks like a Fisher-Price toy) that I 
moved (years ago) to XFCE and love it.  Kind of Gnome-ish but light and 
fast, and very configurable.

Next time you're bored, spin up a VM with MX Linux (xfce desktop) and 
see what you think.  It's about the only one I like any more.

 Ac> I just have no need for a full GUI Linux desktop system at this point,
 Ac> so I stick with Arch.

I use Linux as my daily driver, on mulitiple desktop/laptops, so it's 
important to me.  Servers/BBS run on Slackware, and even my daily laptop 
has been Slackware for many years.  Transitioning to a new laptop and 
decided to go with MX Linux, as it's just less work.  The only two 
Windows computers in the house are my work laptop and my wife's desktop.  
:-)

Regards,
Dan



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