Subj : Trump or Harris?
To   : Neofree
From : Arelor
Date : Wed Aug 14 2024 05:00 pm

  Re: Trump or Harris?
  By: Neofree to Dumas Walker on Mon Aug 12 2024 05:32 pm

 > Countries like Spain are examples of socialism that is NOT the same.  Yes
 > back in the day Spain has done invasions, but not in recent history.  We're
 > not seei
 > Spain suppo the Ukraine invasion now are we?

Warmongering is completely orthogonal to the economic system a country operates on, unless the country is question is a super power with an economy built specifically on annexing new territories and taxing their population (Rome, and a couple of modern ones you may think about).

So called far-right in Spain is basically pro Ukrainian and nobody would dare consider them Socialists. And then I think lots of old-school Socialists in Spain would have the current administration by the Socialist Workers Spanish Party shot in the square for betraying Socialist principles anyway. This is the reason why stuff such as the CNT has not dissolved and joined mainstream Socialist orgs.

In any case, it can be argued that any Socialist system that operates at a non-trivial scale becomes a Dictatorship because it is based on forcing people to join. This is, a big scale Socialist regime that can't force people to join can't force certain segments of the population to work more in order to cover the expenses of other segments of the population.

But I also dare say most people who wants a Socialist system would not last 5 days living in a Socialist system. It takes a special kind of person who is aware of the amenities of modern life to be assigned a square of land and a plow and be happy with no modern comforts. The fun part is the people and communities I know who fit that mold tend to be extremely conservative.


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